Gosh…can we even say that? I can’t keep track of what kind of “speech” our liberal betters find “hateful” or “problematic” this week. (Perhaps because they keep constantly moving the goalposts so that they can villify and “getcha” for expressing anything unacceptable to their increasingly narrow definition of allowable discourse.)
True. He did sound much more rational and persuasive than her. Even some of his wackier conspiracy stuff ironically seemed less irrational given the ATF’s actions.
I still remember hearing the little girl ask the negotiator if they were going to come in and kill them? The negotiator dismissively told her they were not, but that is just what they did. Waco and Ruby Ridge changed the way I saw government.
Ruby Ridge and Waco changed me as well, Mac. I often recall this statement from Jackie Brown, a friend of the Weaver’s during the Congressional hearings on Ruby Ridge:
“You know its pretty hard to take some of the things that have been said on this panel today. I have to wonder if those people that were directly involved now feel that they were justified that two, actually three people are dead, and I find it heart sickening being the daughter of a WWII veteran and having family members and friends give their lives in every war, foreign and domestic, to suddenly wake up one morning, and to feel that everything that I had been taught was a lie. That I couldn’t trust authorities, that I couldn’t trust my nation’s capitol.”
“There is no excuse for what happened up there. And I am not here to ask you to support Randy Weaver or Kevin Harris. I am here to ask you to support right and wrong, and what happened there was wrong. And I pray that this just wont all be talk, because myself and many Americans are waiting to see the actions. The talk is nice to hear but it doesn’t mean a thing.”
I had my shop during the Ruby Ridge hearings and could watch some of them during the day. It was so disgusting to see some of the Democrats. It was worse to see the network news later and see how they distorted what was said. It was as bad or worse in the Waco hearings.
Jeff has been her primary focus but she has done such harm to many. People like JtB had such solid reputations they could survive her nasty attacks but she did great harm to Hosedragger and others like the poor nun or teacher in Utah, Jerrie Berret. Who knows how many lives she has damaged that never got in the spotlight? I wish I had more faith she would finally be put away but I am afraid I just don’t have enough faith in our justice system anymore. Look at the persecution people have faced over not wanting to be a part of a gay wedding compared to the casual dismissal of her prolonged evil campaigns against her innocent victims. It makes me sick.
I guess I can only hope that this time will be different. If it is it will most likely be her attacks on the judge and other officials that do it, sadly.
But what would be an appropriate sentence? You can’t lock her away forever for the crimes she’s committed even though she’s shown no remorse or rehabilitation. I have the feeling she’s going to be a pita to everyone for the rest of her life.
As much as I can empathize with Jeff, I don’t know him and have had only a few online interactions with him. I have considerably more sympathy for the folks you’ve mentioned, Mac, along with Sinner, Minteh, Kirk, and I’m sure a host of others that I’ve forgotten over the years. Including those that became collateral damage from AbbeyWeb.
After serial stalking and harassing of members of the court when she was first extradited to Colorado, she was facing four felony charges. She plead guilty to one felony count in exchange for 10 years probation and the requirement that she move back in with her parents, not post comments about people on the internet, take her medication, etc. That didn’t last long and she was ordered back to Colorado for a probation revocation hearing. She skipped out on that and added another felony to her list. Given that she hasn’t learned anything from short stints in jail and the length of time she’s been harassing others, I think 10 years is reasonable (given that in many jurisdictions that means less than 5 years). She can be forced to take her medication and might even get to the point where she can accept help, although I doubt it.
She has already proven to be a danger to others, so involuntary commitment would also seem reasonable, although that might be equivalent to a life sentence.
I understand, Sir. A sentence of several years would give everyone a break and more importantly might serve as more of a deterent to her. She has counted on gaming the system and has largely gotten away with it. Even what trouble she has had has almost all been from her being stupid about the ruling class folks. Little if anything has resulted from her attacks on us little people.
I am not a fan of Jeff G. I don’t really care for him much for some time. I still feel sorry for him.
Happy Black Caturday, Wheelizens!
Gosh…can we even say that? I can’t keep track of what kind of “speech” our liberal betters find “hateful” or “problematic” this week. (Perhaps because they keep constantly moving the goalposts so that they can villify and “getcha” for expressing anything unacceptable to their increasingly narrow definition of allowable discourse.)
Happy Saturday, boys.
Happy Caturday, Gerbil Nation!
Good morning, Fatwa, and Sven!
Fatwa -- the short answer is, anything you say can, and will, be held against you.
After reading this, I’ve lost any sympathy I may have had for SWMNBN:
http://theothermccain.com/2017/11/24/the-harm-deborah-frisch-has-inflicted-and-why-she-must-be-incarcerated/
Hai, Paddy and Sven!
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Sven --
Thanks for the link; that’s one hell of a victim statement.
(Was amused that Teh Daily Squeak got a “booking photo via” credit; just tweeted Minteh in case he hadn’t seen it.)
She looks a lot like David Koresh.
Well, fatter, crazier, and without the charm and passion.
Well, there’s that, but look at this image:
True. He did sound much more rational and persuasive than her. Even some of his wackier conspiracy stuff ironically seemed less irrational given the ATF’s actions.
I still remember hearing the little girl ask the negotiator if they were going to come in and kill them? The negotiator dismissively told her they were not, but that is just what they did. Waco and Ruby Ridge changed the way I saw government.
Ruby Ridge and Waco changed me as well, Mac. I often recall this statement from Jackie Brown, a friend of the Weaver’s during the Congressional hearings on Ruby Ridge:
“You know its pretty hard to take some of the things that have been said on this panel today. I have to wonder if those people that were directly involved now feel that they were justified that two, actually three people are dead, and I find it heart sickening being the daughter of a WWII veteran and having family members and friends give their lives in every war, foreign and domestic, to suddenly wake up one morning, and to feel that everything that I had been taught was a lie. That I couldn’t trust authorities, that I couldn’t trust my nation’s capitol.”
“There is no excuse for what happened up there. And I am not here to ask you to support Randy Weaver or Kevin Harris. I am here to ask you to support right and wrong, and what happened there was wrong. And I pray that this just wont all be talk, because myself and many Americans are waiting to see the actions. The talk is nice to hear but it doesn’t mean a thing.”
I had my shop during the Ruby Ridge hearings and could watch some of them during the day. It was so disgusting to see some of the Democrats. It was worse to see the network news later and see how they distorted what was said. It was as bad or worse in the Waco hearings.
I seem to remember reading that James Riady bragged about being given the VIP tour of the WH as the compound burned on the TV screens in many rooms.
Jeff has been her primary focus but she has done such harm to many. People like JtB had such solid reputations they could survive her nasty attacks but she did great harm to Hosedragger and others like the poor nun or teacher in Utah, Jerrie Berret. Who knows how many lives she has damaged that never got in the spotlight? I wish I had more faith she would finally be put away but I am afraid I just don’t have enough faith in our justice system anymore. Look at the persecution people have faced over not wanting to be a part of a gay wedding compared to the casual dismissal of her prolonged evil campaigns against her innocent victims. It makes me sick.
I guess I can only hope that this time will be different. If it is it will most likely be her attacks on the judge and other officials that do it, sadly.
But what would be an appropriate sentence? You can’t lock her away forever for the crimes she’s committed even though she’s shown no remorse or rehabilitation. I have the feeling she’s going to be a pita to everyone for the rest of her life.
As much as I can empathize with Jeff, I don’t know him and have had only a few online interactions with him. I have considerably more sympathy for the folks you’ve mentioned, Mac, along with Sinner, Minteh, Kirk, and I’m sure a host of others that I’ve forgotten over the years. Including those that became collateral damage from AbbeyWeb.
After serial stalking and harassing of members of the court when she was first extradited to Colorado, she was facing four felony charges. She plead guilty to one felony count in exchange for 10 years probation and the requirement that she move back in with her parents, not post comments about people on the internet, take her medication, etc. That didn’t last long and she was ordered back to Colorado for a probation revocation hearing. She skipped out on that and added another felony to her list. Given that she hasn’t learned anything from short stints in jail and the length of time she’s been harassing others, I think 10 years is reasonable (given that in many jurisdictions that means less than 5 years). She can be forced to take her medication and might even get to the point where she can accept help, although I doubt it.
She has already proven to be a danger to others, so involuntary commitment would also seem reasonable, although that might be equivalent to a life sentence.
I understand, Sir. A sentence of several years would give everyone a break and more importantly might serve as more of a deterent to her. She has counted on gaming the system and has largely gotten away with it. Even what trouble she has had has almost all been from her being stupid about the ruling class folks. Little if anything has resulted from her attacks on us little people.
I am not a fan of Jeff G. I don’t really care for him much for some time. I still feel sorry for him.
Yep, things didn’t get serious until she started harassing court clerks, probation officers, and judges. The rest of us can just “live with it”.
Paddy, I tend to agree. She would probably have to do more to them and theirs before that would happen. Sad.