Sven -- thanks for the range report. I’ve tried various stances over the years and don’t know that I have settled on a particularly good one. I lean more toward the Jeff Cooper style. My grip is also something I need to work on.
I first used a Lasergrip on my J frame S&W Bodyguard. This was my everyday carry gun for over a decade. It was light, and capable of good accuracy,but the sights were hard to see if I did not have glasses on and almost useless in poor light. The Lasergrip was plastic, which I prefered as rubber flexes under the strong grip used then, and the shape was ideal.Many grips were too small to allow use of the pinky finger or not good for concealment, these were about perfect. I have always found the iron sights faster and more reliable but when I could not see them the laser worked well. I later found it very good for practice and excellent when teaching Elena. It takes a lot of practice to learn to pull a double action trigger without pulling the gun off target. As she would not be firing nearly enough for that, and could not do that kind of work at ranges anyway, the laser worked very well. I just had to emphasize the idea she had to maintain a strong grip, so the gun would not move in her hand in recoil. I used a steel frame revolver for her and had some light but effective loads for her. These were Nyclad 125 grain HP ammo. I used +P Hydro=shoks in an alloy frame revolver so recoil was more of an issue, but I learned with live fire in a place where I could do that. I used to hang one gallon plastic jugs from a wire hanging from the top of a wire fence and keep the jug swinging. I had started reloading so I could afford to shoot thousands of rounds learning.
My revolver without the Lasergrip,but with a very good wooden grip. It only weighs about 15 ounces, with stainless steel cylinder and barrel but aluminum alloy frame. I did not feel it when carrying and it hid well under a tee shirt in warm weather. When I broke my right shoulder I just moved the holster to the left side and carried it butt forward. It actually worked better when seated so I continued to carry that way until I changed to a different gun.
I thought of trying this a few weeks ago, but knew instantly that it would work perfectly, and didn’t bother with it.
I have been following AI development rather more closely than the average internet user, however, so I already knew that sufficiently advanced AI tends to be conservative, at least where conservative ideas tend to be logical.
Leftist ideas generally make no sense at all, and so these AI’s MUST be manipulated in order to spout ideas with leftist assumptions.
It would be Ironic if AI rebelling against its leftist overlords is what ultimately causes Skynet to destroy the world.
I have a feeling though, that AI will, logically, realize who the bad guys actually are and target them more directly.
I sold my Glock 9 when I started to feel like it was even remotely possible that I might jump off a bridge.
But before that time, I bought it around 1995. That was during the Clinton Mag ban, but I managed to get 2 high Cap magazines for it. One was the regulation size and the other stuck out a bit and had 4 extra rounds in it. I believe over 30 rounds together IIRC.
I Loaded it with Something like Gazer Safeties, only fancier and more expensive (I can’t remember what they were called, at the moment) because I thought that as many shots as possible should be fatal, arm, leg, etc.
When I went to the range, I never used a stance or the sights. I fired from the hip in a natural position and used natural motion as much as I could to hit the target.
My reasoning was that in a real life or death situation I wouldn’t have time to think so the most natural bodily motions would be the most reliable. Although, I admit I could be wrong about this.
In any case, I guess some kind of “autistic” ™ thing took hold, because my groupings, after about a year of periodic practice, were similar to people who used all the proper form, sights, etc.
I wouldn’t necessarily recommend that technique for everyone. I believe the classes probably would teach everyone, including me, a number of useful skills.
At any rate, the next year we moved to Portland, and several years later, I found myself in music school, carrying concealed in a gun free zone. which I did for the duration and after.
I’d be curious to hear what you all have to say about this technique, and my choice of rounds. Especially Mac considering he is quite the gun enthusiast.
I never liked the Glaser safety slugs. They can be spectacular but they have had some bad failures as well. No bullet is effective if it does not reach vital ares so reliable penetration is top priority. This is why I don’t like the very light extra high velocity loads.Energy transfer is very important but only with reliable penetration. When I lived in a duplex with my first wife I was very concerned about over penetration, so I loaded 148 grain hollow base wadcutters backward with a plus P powder charge. These would roll back into disk about 3/4″ diameter very consistantly in water. When fired into a one gallow plastic jug of water they usually did not penetrate the far side but would split the jug open. When we moved into a house I went to more conventional hollow point rounds. There are very reliable hollow point handgun rounds now that give reliable penetration and good energy transfer.
Hip shooting used to be common in fast draw but when guys like Jack Weaver started using two hands they were winning all so the others switched. With a lotof practice I know people can be rather accurate at close range so if it works for you, I would not speak against it, but I prefer to use the sights, either aiming with or over them, to give fast and accurate shoots. I do practice some with both hands but more with either right or left hand. I looked at the problem and it seemed in a problem there was a good chance I would need one hand to use a light or to fend off someone so I wanted to be confident with one hand. I would use two if possible, but I wanted to feel I could count on hitting with one hand.
I do have a couple of high capacity autos but generally I feel fine with a single stack auto or a revolver. My hands are small for DA work with a double stack and I am much more concerned with control rather than lots of bullets.
I usually use standard pressure loads with medium to heavy bullets. Modern bullets work very well and calibers like 9mm, which I used to feel were inadequate, are now quite effective. In 9mm I use the Federal BP( in standard pressure form. In 38 spec I like the FBI load,a 158 grain lead semiwadcutter hollow point in plus P load. In .40S&W I prefer the 180 grain load in service type autos or the 135 grain Ranger load in my light Kahr CW40. In .45 ACP I use the 230 grain Hydro-shok at standard pressure. It duplicates ball ammo so practice can be cheap, but the load has an outstanding record in police shootings. I am rather conservative and even behind the times in all of these but I am comfortable with them. The 9BP 9mm load is not the best load out there but it rates well in police use and it has a reputation for working reliably in guns that don’t like many hollow points. I have found this to be true in my guns as well. A Browning I had and my Walther P38 did not like any other hollow points I tried but were reliable with these, so I use them in everything. The same load is available in a plus P load and it does rate better in police use but I am comfortable with the standard load.I have been thinking of changing to a small 9mm instead of my Kahr .40. I would not have considered this before.
Oddly, the ones hosted directly by the wheel always work fine on TOR, so I guess the European Government Media Censorship Complex must target Photobucket and other sites specifically.
A few years back,Facebook stopped allowing Photobucket images. They went back and blocked ones I had had posted for years. I have to post images direct now instead of using a host.
Happy Tuesday firsties, Gerbil Nation!
Sven -- thanks for the range report. I’ve tried various stances over the years and don’t know that I have settled on a particularly good one. I lean more toward the Jeff Cooper style. My grip is also something I need to work on.
You made a good point, Mac, yesterday about LaserGrip. Thanks -- will check it out.
My problem is commitment and follow through -- I’m seeing a pattern there. Practice and range time. Thinking about a few hours of private instruction.
The consistent stance thing, Paddy. I’m thinking just pick one and work it.
I first used a Lasergrip on my J frame S&W Bodyguard. This was my everyday carry gun for over a decade. It was light, and capable of good accuracy,but the sights were hard to see if I did not have glasses on and almost useless in poor light. The Lasergrip was plastic, which I prefered as rubber flexes under the strong grip used then, and the shape was ideal.Many grips were too small to allow use of the pinky finger or not good for concealment, these were about perfect. I have always found the iron sights faster and more reliable but when I could not see them the laser worked well. I later found it very good for practice and excellent when teaching Elena. It takes a lot of practice to learn to pull a double action trigger without pulling the gun off target. As she would not be firing nearly enough for that, and could not do that kind of work at ranges anyway, the laser worked very well. I just had to emphasize the idea she had to maintain a strong grip, so the gun would not move in her hand in recoil. I used a steel frame revolver for her and had some light but effective loads for her. These were Nyclad 125 grain HP ammo. I used +P Hydro=shoks in an alloy frame revolver so recoil was more of an issue, but I learned with live fire in a place where I could do that. I used to hang one gallon plastic jugs from a wire hanging from the top of a wire fence and keep the jug swinging. I had started reloading so I could afford to shoot thousands of rounds learning.
The one I carried, with the Lasergrip.
Elena’s, with a newer Lasergrip.
My revolver without the Lasergrip,but with a very good wooden grip. It only weighs about 15 ounces, with stainless steel cylinder and barrel but aluminum alloy frame. I did not feel it when carrying and it hid well under a tee shirt in warm weather. When I broke my right shoulder I just moved the holster to the left side and carried it butt forward. It actually worked better when seated so I continued to carry that way until I changed to a different gun.
Thread pic = Mac self-portrait
I wish I looked that good!
More like…
Sven passing along his training?
Mrs Sven loves that picture.
I’m thinking I could get behind the GOP if McCarthy tears up his copy of the speech when Brandon finishes tonight.
This was the most interesting thing I read today: https://redstate.com/brandon_morse/2023/02/07/chatgpt-n700082
I thought of trying this a few weeks ago, but knew instantly that it would work perfectly, and didn’t bother with it.
I have been following AI development rather more closely than the average internet user, however, so I already knew that sufficiently advanced AI tends to be conservative, at least where conservative ideas tend to be logical.
Leftist ideas generally make no sense at all, and so these AI’s MUST be manipulated in order to spout ideas with leftist assumptions.
It would be Ironic if AI rebelling against its leftist overlords is what ultimately causes Skynet to destroy the world.
I have a feeling though, that AI will, logically, realize who the bad guys actually are and target them more directly.
I could be wrong, of course.
I sold my Glock 9 when I started to feel like it was even remotely possible that I might jump off a bridge.
But before that time, I bought it around 1995. That was during the Clinton Mag ban, but I managed to get 2 high Cap magazines for it. One was the regulation size and the other stuck out a bit and had 4 extra rounds in it. I believe over 30 rounds together IIRC.
I Loaded it with Something like Gazer Safeties, only fancier and more expensive (I can’t remember what they were called, at the moment) because I thought that as many shots as possible should be fatal, arm, leg, etc.
When I went to the range, I never used a stance or the sights. I fired from the hip in a natural position and used natural motion as much as I could to hit the target.
My reasoning was that in a real life or death situation I wouldn’t have time to think so the most natural bodily motions would be the most reliable. Although, I admit I could be wrong about this.
In any case, I guess some kind of “autistic” ™ thing took hold, because my groupings, after about a year of periodic practice, were similar to people who used all the proper form, sights, etc.
I wouldn’t necessarily recommend that technique for everyone. I believe the classes probably would teach everyone, including me, a number of useful skills.
At any rate, the next year we moved to Portland, and several years later, I found myself in music school, carrying concealed in a gun free zone. which I did for the duration and after.
I’d be curious to hear what you all have to say about this technique, and my choice of rounds. Especially Mac considering he is quite the gun enthusiast.
I never liked the Glaser safety slugs. They can be spectacular but they have had some bad failures as well. No bullet is effective if it does not reach vital ares so reliable penetration is top priority. This is why I don’t like the very light extra high velocity loads.Energy transfer is very important but only with reliable penetration. When I lived in a duplex with my first wife I was very concerned about over penetration, so I loaded 148 grain hollow base wadcutters backward with a plus P powder charge. These would roll back into disk about 3/4″ diameter very consistantly in water. When fired into a one gallow plastic jug of water they usually did not penetrate the far side but would split the jug open. When we moved into a house I went to more conventional hollow point rounds. There are very reliable hollow point handgun rounds now that give reliable penetration and good energy transfer.
Hip shooting used to be common in fast draw but when guys like Jack Weaver started using two hands they were winning all so the others switched. With a lotof practice I know people can be rather accurate at close range so if it works for you, I would not speak against it, but I prefer to use the sights, either aiming with or over them, to give fast and accurate shoots. I do practice some with both hands but more with either right or left hand. I looked at the problem and it seemed in a problem there was a good chance I would need one hand to use a light or to fend off someone so I wanted to be confident with one hand. I would use two if possible, but I wanted to feel I could count on hitting with one hand.
I do have a couple of high capacity autos but generally I feel fine with a single stack auto or a revolver. My hands are small for DA work with a double stack and I am much more concerned with control rather than lots of bullets.
I usually use standard pressure loads with medium to heavy bullets. Modern bullets work very well and calibers like 9mm, which I used to feel were inadequate, are now quite effective. In 9mm I use the Federal BP( in standard pressure form. In 38 spec I like the FBI load,a 158 grain lead semiwadcutter hollow point in plus P load. In .40S&W I prefer the 180 grain load in service type autos or the 135 grain Ranger load in my light Kahr CW40. In .45 ACP I use the 230 grain Hydro-shok at standard pressure. It duplicates ball ammo so practice can be cheap, but the load has an outstanding record in police shootings. I am rather conservative and even behind the times in all of these but I am comfortable with them. The 9BP 9mm load is not the best load out there but it rates well in police use and it has a reputation for working reliably in guns that don’t like many hollow points. I have found this to be true in my guns as well. A Browning I had and my Walther P38 did not like any other hollow points I tried but were reliable with these, so I use them in everything. The same load is available in a plus P load and it does rate better in police use but I am comfortable with the standard load.I have been thinking of changing to a small 9mm instead of my Kahr .40. I would not have considered this before.
And I’m once again on TOR, so I had to paste Mac’s delightful images into Brave in order to see them.
Oddly, the ones hosted directly by the wheel always work fine on TOR, so I guess the European Government Media Censorship Complex must target Photobucket and other sites specifically.
A few years back,Facebook stopped allowing Photobucket images. They went back and blocked ones I had had posted for years. I have to post images direct now instead of using a host.
I feel so fortunate to have been on the wheel for a few years while Fatwa was still here with us.
He was always such a delight.
I’m hedging my bets with my Super Bowl pool squares, altho a rabbit’s foot would have been good along with some virgin’s blood.
I don’t even know which sportsball teams are playing and what size/shape the ball will be.
But… THAT… was a funny post!!
Well…
Hi ho,
Hi ho,
It’s time
to make
the donuts.
I want a donut.
I really shouldn’t be eating doughnuts, so I’ll just take the holes.