Good morning, GN. On this the 25th anniversary of 9/11, allow me to repost something that I wrote in 2007.
Good morning,
Because of the nature of the beast, here at TSW we often mock decision science. That’s only fair; when someone proudly trots out their credentials in decision science and then repeatedly makes one stupid decision after another, well…
Flight 93 left Newark-NJ at 8:42 the morning of September 11 after having been delayed almost an hour. By around 9:30, it had been successfully taken over by the hijackers. The time of the cockpit intrusion and hijacking is determined through two sources – a phone call from passenger Tom Burnett to his wife in San Francisco and a garbled radio transmission from the cockpit. Once the terrorists were in control, the remaining passengers and crew were herded to the back of the plane. After a few minutes, the plane changed direction and headed towards Washington. By this time, around 9:40, other hijacked planes had hit both the WTC Towers and the Pentagon.
When Flight 93 left the ground, it had 44 passengers and crew. During the takeover, at least one passenger and two crewmembers (pilot and co-pilot) were killed. That left alive 37 passengers and crew – 17 men, 20 women – and the four hijackers. No children on board although one of the women, Lauren Grandcolas, was pregnant. For the most part, this was a group of strangers with the exception of one married couple and two friends traveling together. Some of the remaining flight crew had worked together before, so they were familiar with each other, or at the very least, had a common set of corporate experience to draw on. Several of the passengers were professional business types on business trips. Others were retired. Some were single; others were married with children and grandchildren. As far as flights go, this was a typical group of passengers on a cross-country midweek commute. Not a John Wayne or Bruce Willis in the bunch.
The plane is hijacked around 9:30. By 9:37, the passengers knew of the WTC attacks – this from a phone call that Jeremy Glick had with his wife. By 9:45, Tom Burnett tells his wife that a group of passengers is working on a plan to take back control of the plane. At 9:47, Jeremy Glick, again to his wife, telling of a vote that the passengers have taken – that they have decided to try to take back control of the plane.
Stop for a moment and put yourself on the plane. Before 9:30, you are blissfully unaware of anything going on in the outside world. Then you are hustled to the back of the plane by a bunch of knife-wielding terrorists with a bomb and told to sit down and shut up. Everyone is scared, the plane is bouncing up and down, it’s hard to hear, you don’t know any of these people, and you don’t know what the hell is going on. But within a few minutes new information is coming in – your plane isn’t the only plane hijacked. Your country is under attack…by hijacked planes. Within 15 minutes you accept the new information, you form groups, you formulate plans, you present the plans…and you take a vote. Fifteen minutes.
There was plenty of horror on September 11, 2001. The images of people jumping from the Twin Towers. The image of the second plane hitting and the realization that the first hit wasn’t an accident. Watching the Towers come down. Amidst the horror was admiration for the bravery of those that responded, did their jobs, and helped out. But the most amazing thing in my mind still is what occurred on Flight 93. Decision making at its best…by Americans. The realization that no one was going to help them, that if they were going to get out of this mess alive it was going to be up them, and that even if they didn’t get out of it alive, that they were going to determine their own fate.
Based on other phone calls, some of the passengers and crew spent their remaining time saying their good-byes to family and friends, while others prepared to assault the cockpit. No weapons onboard, so they improvised. They boiled water, pulled up seat cushions to defend against knifes, agreed to use the rolling food cart as a battering ram to get into the cockpit, and to use beverage cans as projectiles. The actual assault probably began around 9:57. CeeCee Lyles is on the phone with her husband at 9:58: “I think they’re going to do it. They’re forcing their way into the cockpit”. A little later she screams, then says: “They’re doing it! They’re doing it! They’re doing it!” The voice recorder at 9:59 pick ups a passenger screaming: “In the cockpit. If we don’t we’ll die!” At 10:01 the voice recorder picks up the last words from Flight 93 – the hijackers saying to put the plane down. The plan flies erratically for a few more minutes before finally hitting the ground in Shanksville, Pennsylvania.
If you follow the various timelines from all the reports that have come out of 9/11, from the moment the hijackers leave their seats and assault the cockpit to final impact, the entire event lasts, at most, 40 minutes. That this group of Americans was able to do what they did, in that amount of time, strikes me as little less than miraculous.
As they say, Mac -- bitter is as bitter does. I think we all have some measure of bitterness and anger over the way our country has gone over the last 25 years, but I will say this: In all the years we’ve associated online, I’ve never once seen you act bitter. Never once, even when we had 40-50 active posters, do I recall anyone of worth have anything bad to say about you. You’re a good man, Mac.
It seems meaningful that Charie Kirk’s assassination and 9/11 are so close. Both were violent attacks against our core values as Americans by enemies of our Republic.
Yes. One was an external threat; the other internal. I have to think that TPUSA has turned a corner. My impression is they’ve put grief and anger behind them and are focusing on Kirk’s mission. It’s going to be a different organization than it was a year ago and one without a figurehead -- without one man driving it forward -- but with hundreds of committed leaders. No one can replace Charlie Kirk, just like no one could replace Rush Limbaugh or Andrew Breitbart, and I don’t think they are going to try.
Last night, TPUSA did a tribute to Charlie Kirk and they did it where he was murdered -- at UVU. That took some balls. The focus was on their members, the local chapters, the young people in high school and college. The speakers were not polished, but they spoke.
They did include Michael Knowels (Daily Wire) and Glen Beck. I didn’t care much for either of them last night, but they seemed to be well-received. Watch the first speaker -- UVU chapter president. She gives me hope for that generation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw66f_1nKKU
“A wealthy Washington D.C., suburb’s public school district is advising teachers not to link 9/11 with radical Islam and to be sure to create “safe spaces” for Muslim students as the nation somberly marks the 25th anniversary of the terror attacks that killed nearly 3,000 Americans.”
I am a bit surprised that Obama or Biden didn’t apologize to Muslim countries for the loss of the terrorists on 9/11. I guess that may yet be coming if some of the new Democrats get into power.
Decent news for Mrs Sven: PET scan shows no sign of metastasis. We’ll still see her main oncologist Monday, but don’t expect him to add anything. She’s still got two other cancers to get looked at this month, but those should be routine.
Good morning, GN. On this the 25th anniversary of 9/11, allow me to repost something that I wrote in 2007.
Good morning,
Because of the nature of the beast, here at TSW we often mock decision science. That’s only fair; when someone proudly trots out their credentials in decision science and then repeatedly makes one stupid decision after another, well…
Flight 93 left Newark-NJ at 8:42 the morning of September 11 after having been delayed almost an hour. By around 9:30, it had been successfully taken over by the hijackers. The time of the cockpit intrusion and hijacking is determined through two sources – a phone call from passenger Tom Burnett to his wife in San Francisco and a garbled radio transmission from the cockpit. Once the terrorists were in control, the remaining passengers and crew were herded to the back of the plane. After a few minutes, the plane changed direction and headed towards Washington. By this time, around 9:40, other hijacked planes had hit both the WTC Towers and the Pentagon.
When Flight 93 left the ground, it had 44 passengers and crew. During the takeover, at least one passenger and two crewmembers (pilot and co-pilot) were killed. That left alive 37 passengers and crew – 17 men, 20 women – and the four hijackers. No children on board although one of the women, Lauren Grandcolas, was pregnant. For the most part, this was a group of strangers with the exception of one married couple and two friends traveling together. Some of the remaining flight crew had worked together before, so they were familiar with each other, or at the very least, had a common set of corporate experience to draw on. Several of the passengers were professional business types on business trips. Others were retired. Some were single; others were married with children and grandchildren. As far as flights go, this was a typical group of passengers on a cross-country midweek commute. Not a John Wayne or Bruce Willis in the bunch.
The plane is hijacked around 9:30. By 9:37, the passengers knew of the WTC attacks – this from a phone call that Jeremy Glick had with his wife. By 9:45, Tom Burnett tells his wife that a group of passengers is working on a plan to take back control of the plane. At 9:47, Jeremy Glick, again to his wife, telling of a vote that the passengers have taken – that they have decided to try to take back control of the plane.
Stop for a moment and put yourself on the plane. Before 9:30, you are blissfully unaware of anything going on in the outside world. Then you are hustled to the back of the plane by a bunch of knife-wielding terrorists with a bomb and told to sit down and shut up. Everyone is scared, the plane is bouncing up and down, it’s hard to hear, you don’t know any of these people, and you don’t know what the hell is going on. But within a few minutes new information is coming in – your plane isn’t the only plane hijacked. Your country is under attack…by hijacked planes. Within 15 minutes you accept the new information, you form groups, you formulate plans, you present the plans…and you take a vote. Fifteen minutes.
There was plenty of horror on September 11, 2001. The images of people jumping from the Twin Towers. The image of the second plane hitting and the realization that the first hit wasn’t an accident. Watching the Towers come down. Amidst the horror was admiration for the bravery of those that responded, did their jobs, and helped out. But the most amazing thing in my mind still is what occurred on Flight 93. Decision making at its best…by Americans. The realization that no one was going to help them, that if they were going to get out of this mess alive it was going to be up them, and that even if they didn’t get out of it alive, that they were going to determine their own fate.
Based on other phone calls, some of the passengers and crew spent their remaining time saying their good-byes to family and friends, while others prepared to assault the cockpit. No weapons onboard, so they improvised. They boiled water, pulled up seat cushions to defend against knifes, agreed to use the rolling food cart as a battering ram to get into the cockpit, and to use beverage cans as projectiles. The actual assault probably began around 9:57. CeeCee Lyles is on the phone with her husband at 9:58: “I think they’re going to do it. They’re forcing their way into the cockpit”. A little later she screams, then says: “They’re doing it! They’re doing it! They’re doing it!” The voice recorder at 9:59 pick ups a passenger screaming: “In the cockpit. If we don’t we’ll die!” At 10:01 the voice recorder picks up the last words from Flight 93 – the hijackers saying to put the plane down. The plan flies erratically for a few more minutes before finally hitting the ground in Shanksville, Pennsylvania.
If you follow the various timelines from all the reports that have come out of 9/11, from the moment the hijackers leave their seats and assault the cockpit to final impact, the entire event lasts, at most, 40 minutes. That this group of Americans was able to do what they did, in that amount of time, strikes me as little less than miraculous.
Thank you, Sven. I changed the thread pic to something more appropriate.
Thank you, Sven. And thank you, Mac, for the change in thread pic, even though there is a lot of truth to the original thread pic.
Thank you, Paddy. I let my bitterness take over. This day should be above that. Sven posts with class, as usual.
As they say, Mac -- bitter is as bitter does. I think we all have some measure of bitterness and anger over the way our country has gone over the last 25 years, but I will say this: In all the years we’ve associated online, I’ve never once seen you act bitter. Never once, even when we had 40-50 active posters, do I recall anyone of worth have anything bad to say about you. You’re a good man, Mac.
It seems meaningful that Charie Kirk’s assassination and 9/11 are so close. Both were violent attacks against our core values as Americans by enemies of our Republic.
Yes. One was an external threat; the other internal. I have to think that TPUSA has turned a corner. My impression is they’ve put grief and anger behind them and are focusing on Kirk’s mission. It’s going to be a different organization than it was a year ago and one without a figurehead -- without one man driving it forward -- but with hundreds of committed leaders. No one can replace Charlie Kirk, just like no one could replace Rush Limbaugh or Andrew Breitbart, and I don’t think they are going to try.
Last night, TPUSA did a tribute to Charlie Kirk and they did it where he was murdered -- at UVU. That took some balls. The focus was on their members, the local chapters, the young people in high school and college. The speakers were not polished, but they spoke.
They did include Michael Knowels (Daily Wire) and Glen Beck. I didn’t care much for either of them last night, but they seemed to be well-received. Watch the first speaker -- UVU chapter president. She gives me hope for that generation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw66f_1nKKU
A somber Friday, Gerbil Nation.
Good morning, Sven, and Mac.
25 years. 25 years and many still dare not name the evil that attacked us inside our own borders.
This makes me sad.
“A wealthy Washington D.C., suburb’s public school district is advising teachers not to link 9/11 with radical Islam and to be sure to create “safe spaces” for Muslim students as the nation somberly marks the 25th anniversary of the terror attacks that killed nearly 3,000 Americans.”
I am a bit surprised that Obama or Biden didn’t apologize to Muslim countries for the loss of the terrorists on 9/11. I guess that may yet be coming if some of the new Democrats get into power.
I can agree with part of this: let’s not link “radical Islam” to anything. Instead just call it what it is: Islam.
Decent news for Mrs Sven: PET scan shows no sign of metastasis. We’ll still see her main oncologist Monday, but don’t expect him to add anything. She’s still got two other cancers to get looked at this month, but those should be routine.
A blessing! Thank you for sharing, it brightens the day.
That’s great news, Sven! Thanks for letting us know.